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    Jazaakumullaahu khayran for that information, I didn't see it at first, but the document mentions the original date of appointment as 12th April 2001. If Umar and Ahmad have been appointed officers since 2001 and this is all official and legal and documented in government paperwork, and the da'wah has been operating like this for ten years, and this is known by Harun Cole and Said Ali, (which appears to be the case from the surrounding circumstantial facts), frankly, I can't find any words to describe their actions except very negative ones without actually saying them. Their unwitting use of this letter of recommendation for Said Ali in their rebuttal undermines their position, and it looks like Allaah caused these brothers not to see this despite the fact it is obvious to the onlooker.

    When these brothers identified themselves as the writers and signatories to these recent documents which present their side of the story, they mentioned how long they have been with TROID. This must have been to help build confidence in the people for the cause they intended to pursue but it is something that works against them, not for them and undermines their position too. This is the list here as I found in their 11th document (I've removed some of the names, except those who are already the subject of discussion in this thread):

    • Said Ali (founder of TROID)
    • Aron (Haroon) Cole (founder of TROID)
    • [name removed] (approximately 13 years with TROID, ex-Imaam, ex-Shoorah member and ex-Khateeb (until recently))
    • [name removed] (approximately 9 years with TROID, ex-Shoorah member, ex-volunteer in several departments)
    • [name removed] (approximately 7 years with TROID, ex-volunteer in TROID store and Audio department)
    • [name removed] (approximately 8 years with TROID, ex-volunteer)
    • [name removed] (approximately 5 years with TROID, ex-volunteer)
    • [name removed] (approximately 5 years with TROID, ex-volunteer)

    Accordingly, every person in this list has spent at least five years with TROID. This means that each and every single one of these brothers spent at least five years at TROID, knowing full well that Ahmad and Umar are president and secretary respectively, happily working alongside them for all that time (between 5 to 10 years), interacting with them, spending time with them, co-operating with them, never making any such claim that they are making now in 2011. They served in the capacity of imaam or shooraa member or volunteer or worked in the store or gave khutbah for these respective time periods (five to ten years from after April 2001) and they never said anything about Ahmad and Umar having been appointed fraudulently as far as I am aware. Said Ali even solicited a letter of recommendation from Ahmad in his capacity as president in June 2010, which is less than a year before these recent activities commenced from what I have gathered so far. These brothers were happy to use this letter of reccommendation to defend Said Ali in their recent documents not realizing that it undermines their cause. Hence, in my view, when each one of them put their name to this statement:

    Readers should note at this point that Umar al-Hashimee has no legal position in this organization. His appointment as a Secretary and Ahmed Assing's appointment as the President were fraudulent, punishable by law.
    I cannot see this except as false witness, Allaahul-Musta'aan. Allaah, Exalted said:

    وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَشْهَدُونَ الزُّورَ

    And those who do not witness false speech
    (25:82)

    And He also said:

    فَاجْتَنِبُوا الرِّجْسَ مِنَ الْأَوْثَانِ وَاجْتَنِبُوا قَوْلَ الزُّورِ

    And shun the abomination of idols and shun false witness (22:30)

    And Ibn Katheer narrates, regarding this verse:

    وقال سفيان الثوري ، عن عاصم بن أبي النجود ، عن وائل بن ربيعة ، عن ابن مسعود أنه قال : تعدل شهادة الزور بالشرك بالله ، ثم قرأ هذه الآية
    And Sufyan al-Thawri said, from Aasim bin Abi al-Nujud, from Waa'il bin Rabi'ah, from Ibn Mas'uud that he said, "False witness is put on the same level as Shirk with Allaah", then he recited this verse.
    And Abu Bakrah (radiallaahu anhu) reported:

    قال رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم-: (ألا أنبئكم بأكبر الكبائر؟) ثلاثاً، قلنا: بلى يا رسول الله، قال: الشرك بالله، وعقوق الوالدين، وكان متكئاً فجلس، فقال: (ألا وقول الزور، ألا وشهادة الزور) فما زال يكررها حتى قلنا: ليته سكت"
    The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Shall I not inform you of the greatest of the major sins?" We said, "Of course O Messenger of Allaah." He said, "Associating partners with Allaah, being undutiful to one's parents," [saying this whilst] he was leaning, but then he sat up and said, "And indeed, false speech, indeed, false witness" and he never ceased repeating this until we said, "If only he became silent." Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
    And I fear the following, the statement of the Messenger (alayhis salaam), with respect to them and their fasting, may Allaah protect me and the Muslims from it:

    من لم يدع قول الزور والعمل به فليس لله حاجة في أن يدع طعامه وشرابه
    "Whoever does not leave off making false speech and acting upon it, then Allaah is not in need of him leaving his food and drink." Reported by al-Bukhari.
    I think these brothers have unfortunately been greatly misled in their actions and must stop and seriously reflect upon this entire episode for the benefit of their own souls. I am only pointing out what is very obvious at first glance from what these brothers have written themselves. They have undermined their own cause without anyone else even needing to do so. I ask Allaah to end this discord, to rectify the affairs, to strengthen the da'wah of TROID in the call to Tawhid, Sunnah and Salafiyyah and to make it even bigger, stronger and better than what it was before this discord, Ameen.
    -== abu.iyaad =-

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    Is the Time to Ask For Islaah After the Plot Has Failed Miserably?

    The past few days have seen some interesting developments. After planning their doomed and disastrous takeover bid (using deception, paper and electronic fraud, false witness and attempted theft of assets of the organization) from at least May of this year, these brothers are now letting off their steam one by one in very revealing emails (indicating frustration) that are being sent amongst themselves and to us. "We only wanted islaah" is the slogan now after three months of a very determined and concerted effort to achieve their goals using very underhand and dishonest tactics despite being advised by those du'aat whom they approached and despite being advised by Shaykh Muhammad Ramzaan.

    Dear readers! We do not want this to go on any longer and we don't want to spend time writing these posts away from other more important things. But the continued audacity of these people and the fact they continue to play games is something we cannot remail silent about. If they simply said, "We make tawbah, we are sorry for harming the da'wah, we apologise" alhamdulillah, the chapter is closed. Instead we see more games. One by one they appear to be jumping off the ship and finding ways to justify their actions or to deflect blame.

    They had three simultaneous operations taking place.

    The first one
    was the Machiavellian one involving fraud, deception, dissimulation where they tried to game the Canadian legal system by paper and electronic filing fraud which they had commenced at least before May 27th. This was being done behind the scenes and was kept under their own noses.

    The second one was the public relations operation where they were building up support and sympathy from the public community and by sending delegates to present their case to the du'aat both here in the West and in Saudi. Pay attention, this is after their filing fraud behind the scenes in May. Knowing well what they were planning behind the scenes they began approaching the du'aat, a clear sign of deliberate dishonesty.

    The third one was to try and get something from one of the Shaykhs. Because people like Tahir Farooq (a main instigator and primary ringleader) are diseased with the Madeenah.Com disease and are upon the manhaj of people like Tahir Wyatt, Nadir Ahmad, Ahrar Muhamad Sharif and others, they chose to approach Shaykh Wasiullaah who they allege gave them a fatwa to seize property.

    Now that this operation has failed miserably, and clear evidence of their dishonesty is being pointed out to them publicly and in private, we can see the chameleon-like changes taking place. They are bringing out the excuses, statements like "We only wanted islaah..", "We recognize we made some mistakes...", "We should not have involved certain people...", "How can islaah be made when we are being attacked..." Signs of desperation and despair. Didn't you think of these things when you were deeply involved in deceptive actions behind the scenes and showing two faces to the du'aat, claiming to seek advice and rectification, yet working mischief in the background with an already calculated, determined plan of action?

    The filing fraud did not work and failed. Despite the fact that bank accounts were frozen, it has not affected the running of the center, masjid or da'wah significantly, even if we had a period of closure for a few days, and even though we have not had access to those funds, the community and others have stepped in to help tremendously (may Allaah reward them)! This band of people failed to take over the domain and website completely, even though they managed to deprive tens of thousands of people from benefiting from the sites for a few weeks. They failed to seize property. Whatever support they managed to get from the community dwindled and faded about thirty times as rapidly as it took them to acquire it in the first place when the community realized their dishonesty. On almost all counts they have completely failed. "Indeed, Allaah does not cause to prosper, the action of the mischief-makers" (10:81)

    There are no options left except to play the weak, downtrodden, oppressed party who only ever wanted islaah and who is now being wrongly attacked!! "How on earth can we have islaah when we are being vilified" they protest! We are not going to accuse each and every single one of them individually for being guilty of each and every thing that has transpired, but each one of them have a share in certain things even if they may be free of others. They are all guilty and responsible for this mischief to certain degrees and they all know the particular part and role they have played. There is no doubt Shaytan was part of their group. He loves discord and mischief and is very glad to be the unofficial, unannounced and uninvited partner in any such venture. If they had sincere intentions and truly wanted islaah from the very beginning, they would have made absolutely sure Shaytan was not going to gatecrash. From the looks of things, they left the door wide open and cared little. Now that they have realized this, these emails are being circulated. But still no sign of remorse and saying sorry for the harm they wrought and making tawbah for this evil conduct. They are trying to brush everything they have done under the carpet, and making a claim of wanting islaah. That is not the story they took to the du'aat. Rather, they went to the du'aat trying to get support for our removal with nothing about islaah (in Mid June). They were given advice by the brothers and Shaykh Muhammad Ramzaan which they squarely rejected and now they say "We want islaah!"

    At the end of it all, it did nothing to harm us or the da'wah except for creating a little inconvenience. The only true harm they have brought is upon themselves. Out of pity and mercy, we ask Allaah to remove them from the blindness they are in and grant them success in making tawbah for this evil conduct.

    We are continuously grateful and thankful to Allaah throughout these unfortunate proceedings and we are also grateful and thankful to the community who have offered tremendous support both locally and globally and both spiritually and also materially. We can only say that the da'wah, even though it had a hiccup, has not been harmed in the least alhamdulillah, and we are determined to make it stronger. We are in need of your supplications, jazaakumullaah.

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    Alhamdulillaah hamdan katheeran tayyiban mubaarakan feeh,

    It is a great relief to be informed of this good news.

    This shocking fiasco was deeply disturbing to me, especially since I was one of the multiple people who were taken advantage of by this misguided band of "activists" (when they added my name in falsehood to their 'petition') even though I'm on another side of the continent with regards to Canada. Alhamdulillaah, distance is not an issue when an oppressed slave supplicates to his Lord.

    I hope they stop worrying about saving their faces in front of the people and concern themselves with saving their faces from the Fire. If they truly want to remove humiliation from themselves, then they should know that Allaah endues with honor whom He wills and He humiliates whom He wills. In His Hand is the good, and He is able to do all things.

    May Allaah rectify our condition and our affairs and protect us from every evil mannerism and from bad character and from being deceived or deceiving others.


 

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